I can't stick around to discuss because I'm on my way out the door but I will be back later. What do we think of this? I'm curious to hear other people's opinions- not just of Cenk's take but on the whole situation.
I support his Putting JSTOR documents out in the public. It has always baffled me that scientific research was put behind a lock, key and hefty fee only large institutions could afford. Thus not allowing advances to be widely available [and hindering progress]. I find this a very shocking system that I think is under-estimated, or poorly understood/beyond the care of the average public.
No, America's never asked for him. I believe he's wanted for rape in one of the Nordic countries. I can't remember which one but at the time it struck me as somewhere far less likely to pass him on to America. He's currently holed up in the Peruvian embassy and I'm sure they deserve each other.
I'm trying to remember the name of the kid I'm talking about. Basically he has a pretty serious case of autism but still actually managed to hack in to US military computers. Apparently he was obsessed with UFOs and was looking for proof that we are not alone. Anyway it was pretty obvious he wasn't trying to do anything malicious and wasn't actually spying for anyone he was just a mentally disabled 16 year old. The American military claimed he's done millions of pounds of damage, but never produced any evidence. Thing is there was a treaty that the US and UK signed that we would extradite people to each other with out any actual evidence if the other one asked (Because of terrorism)Our parliament ratified it. But yours (Which ever house it goes to first) struck it down immediately (Unsurprisingly because frankly it's nuts) But we never ratified it and this kid was going to be sent over on no evidence for an alleged crime that he actually committed here. Of course he wouldn't got anything like the sentence he would have in America and as soon as our home secretary refused to send him America dropped the case all together.
I believe he's wanted for rape in one of the Nordic countries. Those charges are ridiculously trumped up. One woman dropped them and the other "rape" was really an accusation that he tricked some woman into having sex without a condom. I find the logistics of that extremely questionable, not to mention that is not rape.
(Unsurprisingly because frankly it's nuts) Yeah. Agreed. O__O That's nuts.
he wouldn't got anything like the sentence he would have in America I doubt we would have executed him (although we have executed mentally disabled people before) but he would very likely have been locked up forever in prison or an institution- hopefully the latter because torture happens here. Are you familiar with the treatment of Bradley Manning? Agree with what he did or not, there is no excuse for torturing him. It's despicable.
OK, lets be quite honest here. The whole is it or isn't it "rape" debate that's been going on around the English speaking world starts with the misconception that the word under debate is "Rape" The word is question is a Swedish word and I can't tell you what it is because I don't speak Swedish. Whatever it is, to get in to an argument over the semantics of a word in a language I don't speak would be foolish of me. I will say however that as a man who practices safe sex for my own safety and because I do not wish to become a farther any time soon I would feel violated if somebody tricked me in to sex without a condom. This said, although I can see easily how a woman could be tricked in to that without knowing the physical logistics would be some what harder for anyone trying to do that to me. What assange did I would certainly consider sexual assault.
As for Bradley Manning I know he was the guy who made the leaks to Wiki Leaks, but beyond that I've heard little of his case. Certainly There is no place for torture in modern civilised counties or support for it.
"I would feel violated if somebody tricked me in to sex without a condom."
Yeah but you see, here's the problem with this- several combined governmental bodies across the world waving around extradition orders and trying everything they can to find this man over purportedly tricking a woman into having sex without a condom? IF he actually did do the crime, then yes, he deserves to be punished. But chances are it's just a ploy to silence him for his activities. Consider that most actual rapists won't spend a day in jail and the ones who do get less time than a pot-user or someone who violates the terms of service agreement on a website.
Mind you, I'm not an Assange groupie, I'm just trying to be as objective as I can. To me, it appears the charges are likely inflated or bullshit altogether.
I think that the pain of losing a child can drive someone to make some extreme claims-- and the indignation of seeing someone treated so cruelly can cause one to overreact.
I also know that this nation follows the golden rule: Whomever has the gold, makes the rules. The perceived severity and extent of punishment for a crime is largely determined by whom is angered by its action. Call your neighbor a pig and you will not be welcome at his table. Call your king a pig and you will be burned at the the stake, and then in effigy for years to come.
People will love and hate what they are told to; that is our flaw. And nothing will get you put on the list of "enemies" faster than telling the truth. Yes, this man was made an example of. He was prosecuted with an inordinate amount of effort because he as in a position of activism-- his crimes were actually quite irrelevant. His actions were literally nothing but an excuse for those in power to attack him in any way possible.
The same petty games children play in the schoolyard; trying to get others to say something that can be construed as self-damaging, trying to get others to embarrass themselves, trying to convince others that they are "Important" and "Popular", and other inane doldrums are the primary basis of society as we know it. It is the collar by which a human being can be reduced to an obedient herd animal.
If you truly want to oppose such cruelty, don't just get mad. Mad people, especially in large numbers, can do incredible harm to themselves and what they believe in-- especially when they try to serve what they believe in.
No, contrary to popular opinion; you do not fight fire with fire. You fight it with water. When faced with irrational hate, use rational understanding. When told you must act like a monster, act like a person. When told that you have no choice, choose for yourself what you will do-- it doesn't matter WHAT you choose, just make sure it is what YOU decide. When told you must be indignant because you are being attacked, be forgiving because you know the poor fool doesn't know what they are talking about.
Most of the time when a person throws out an irrational accusation, it isn't because they actually believe the garbage they are spewing, but because they want to hurt the person they are accusing, nothing more. Nothing but simple, petty malice.
When you see a good person be put through hell for no other reasons than to hurt them for caring, and frighten others into NOT caring, don't become the angry, irrational, and confrontational beast that the fools have accused us all of being.
Don't allow the justifiable anger from seeing horrendous acts of cruelty drive you to become what you are accused of being-- that is the goal of the accusers, the liars, the propagandists, and the gossips.
Instead, question your own sacred cows. Remind yourself that you don't know everything. Admit your faults and praise others for their strengths. Do everything those poor, misguided, and arrogant fools are not capable of.
Do it in front of them, right in their faces. Forgive them for not knowing their own evils. Listen to their twisted and manufactured righteous indignity. Then tell them there is a better way than what they have chosen.
The sheep, fools who claim that those who think for themselves will destroy the world, do not make such claims from actually believing them, but from the DESIRE for it to be true.
The one thing they want more than any other is to live in a small, cold, cruel little world where everything is black and white. They want a world where everyone is miserable because of one obvious, identifiable, evil. They want to be persecuted to the point where they are allowed to strike at that evil with intense fervor and hatred, in the hopes that doing so will magically make the world into a Utopia. They want a glorious martyrdom.
They have no desire to actually LIVE in a utopia. They cannot fathom the concept. They cannot even understand the concept of basic happiness. Nor do they care.
They are not evil. They are stupid. They are not your enemies. They are your neighbors.
They are not what is dragging the human race down. They are the human race.
They want you to show them hatred, and to be too weak to persevere.
Defy them. Show them compassion, and whether all they can throw at us.
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